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Praetorian said:- You make millions and you're happy, start enjoying life, drop all occupations, you just live it up for a few years
- Soon you decide to settle down, marry a hot model girl you always dreamed of since you can afford it now
- Life gets boring slowly as you discovered everything about that "other side" you always dreamed of
- Turns out even your wife is a whore who married you for your money and has been cheating on you with the plumber
- Your kids are spoiled shitheads who hate you and already dreaming of leaving the family household (with your money of course)
- You start dwelling on the past, mistakes, etc, get depressed because you feel like there's nothing more to life, you got it all yet you're not satisfied with this new routine
- You start taking drugs, drinking booze and thinking of what you could have done differently
- Depression gets worse, and no one around you gives a s**t (Especially in a family full of superficial cunts)
- Your family finds you hanging in the garage
- The end

Seen many cases like thisClick to expand...You don't have to earn millions, I've seen it often enough in the middle class. It starts at the age of 40...
 
RealDude said:You don't have to earn millions, I've seen it often enough in the middle class. It starts at the age of 40...Click to expand...Agreed. 150-200k seems to be the line. Once that one is crossed, money isn’t an issue anymore.
 
JohnnyDoe said:Per month?Click to expand...Per year. And no. I am not kidding.

A household where the main bread winner earns 150-200k per year and the secondary income is somewhere between 75-100k is what on average comes back with the highest suicide rates.
 
GPT said:Per year. And no. I am not kidding.

A household where the main bread winner earns 150-200k per year and the secondary income is somewhere between 75-100k is what on average comes back with the highest suicide rates.Click to expand...in a Western world country that income doesn’t even remotely allow you to have the time to think about suicide.  Toggle signatureundefined@JohnnyDoe – Your #1 Source for Guidance in Different Offshore Fields​#-johnnydoe-your-1-source-for-guidance-in-different-offshore-fields
 
Praetorian said:Swiss german speakers were the weirdest motherfuckers i met and by far lol. The culture of condescending dickhead that always make a fuss about everything is hardcore there. I saw people complaining/calling administration/filing complaints because the train was 3-5 minutes late lol

They tend to be very rigid and difficult to work with, germans themselves weren't like this. The deeper you get into the cantons like St Gallen for example and the weirder and more awkward people get. As far as suicides go, like GPT pointed out, when you're rich and you're past clubbing, going to restaurants, travelling, living the high life, people tend to get very depressed and things simply go downhill from there. Drugs, depression, often take the lead and without proper psychological counselling people just off themselves. It's common among rich circles, not just in switzerland. People often get bored out of their minds when they're sitting on millions and have fuckall motivation to do anything. Those who own businesses/companies fare better because they have an occupation still, but the folks who are in early retirement usually go crazy long before retirement age.

- You make millions and you're happy, start enjoying life, drop all occupations, you just live it up for a few years
- Soon you decide to settle down, marry a hot model girl you always dreamed of since you can afford it now
- Life gets boring slowly as you discovered everything about that "other side" you always dreamed of
- Turns out even your wife is a whore who married you for your money and has been cheating on you with the plumber
- Your kids are spoiled shitheads who hate you and already dreaming of leaving the family household (with your money of course)
- You start dwelling on the past, mistakes, etc, get depressed because you feel like there's nothing more to life, you got it all yet you're not satisfied with this new routine
- You start taking drugs, drinking booze and thinking of what you could have done differently
- Depression gets worse, and no one around you gives a s**t (Especially in a family full of superficial cunts)
- Your family finds you hanging in the garage
- The end

Seen many cases like thisClick to expand...
Damn....you pretty much summed it all up .  Toggle signaturePlease note my posts should not be taken as financial or tax advice. Please seek professional advice in that respect.
 
JohnnyDoe said:in a Western world country that income doesn’t even remotely allow you to have the time to think about suicide.Click to expand...That is a matter of perception. For a fact 300k household income for CH is way above average let alone such an amount in other western countries.
 
GPT said:That is a matter of perception. For a fact 300k household income for CH is way above average let alone such an amount in other western countries.Click to expand...Do you have an idea, for instance, of how much a cleaning lady costs in Geneva? A properly hired one, not an illegal immigrant (which would eventually lead you to the MP’s office). Surely if you are a farmer up in the mountains you need less money, but I bet you wouldn’t have the time to think about suicide.  Toggle signatureundefined@JohnnyDoe – Your #1 Source for Guidance in Different Offshore Fields​#-johnnydoe-your-1-source-for-guidance-in-different-offshore-fields
 
And yes given that I live in the country for 10 years I do know what it costs as I also have one myself.

FYI; avarage salary is around 60k per person in CH. The moment you have 4-5x avarage in your household, then money isn’t a problem…
 
RealDude said:Wow, that's comparatively low. In 2021, a German full-time employee earned an average of around €50k on a 12-month salary.

https://de.statista.com/statistik/d...verdienst-eines-arbeitnehmers-in-deutschland/Click to expand...The number of @GPT is correct.
Many people in this forum live in a parallel world when it comes to real life expenses and spending habits of the average population.
Also take into account that many Swiss households are highly indebted (certainly more than in Germany).
Btw., if one lives like the average Swiss, expenses are only marginally higher than in neighbouring countries. Biggest draw is usually rent. Other costs are negligible from a point-of-difference.
 
backpacker said:The number of @GPT is correct.
Many people in this forum live in a parallel world when it comes to real life expenses and spending habits of the average population.
Also take into account that many Swiss households are highly indebted (certainly more than in Germany).
Btw., if one lives like the average Swiss, expenses are only marginally higher than in neighbouring countries. Biggest draw is usually rent. Other costs are negligible from a point-of-difference.Click to expand...My apartment rent (3 bedroom, two floors, garden and balcony, underfloor heating, underground parking) within walking distance to the city center of a german metropolis is 600€ per month including heating.
 
RealDude said:My apartment rent (3 bedroom, two floors, garden and balcony, underfloor heating, underground parking) within walking distance to the city center of a german metropolis is 600€ per month including heating.Click to expand...I am getting jealous.
And that's also what I meant with "Biggest draw is usually rent". Problem is that in major cities (and its agglomeration) rich foreigners are pushing up rent prices.
 
Praetorian said:Swiss german speakers were the weirdest motherfuckers i met and by far lol. The culture of condescending dickhead that always make a fuss about everything is hardcore there. I saw people complaining/calling administration/filing complaints because the train was 3-5 minutes late lol

They tend to be very rigid and difficult to work with, germans themselves weren't like this. The deeper you get into the cantons like St Gallen for example and the weirder and more awkward people get. As far as suicides go, like GPT pointed out, when you're rich and you're past clubbing, going to restaurants, travelling, living the high life, people tend to get very depressed and things simply go downhill from there. Drugs, depression, often take the lead and without proper psychological counselling people just off themselves. It's common among rich circles, not just in switzerland. People often get bored out of their minds when they're sitting on millions and have fuckall motivation to do anything. Those who own businesses/companies fare better because they have an occupation still, but the folks who are in early retirement usually go crazy long before retirement age.

- You make millions and you're happy, start enjoying life, drop all occupations, you just live it up for a few years
- Soon you decide to settle down, marry a hot model girl you always dreamed of since you can afford it now
- Life gets boring slowly as you discovered everything about that "other side" you always dreamed of
- Turns out even your wife is a whore who married you for your money and has been cheating on you with the plumber
- Your kids are spoiled shitheads who hate you and already dreaming of leaving the family household (with your money of course)
- You start dwelling on the past, mistakes, etc, get depressed because you feel like there's nothing more to life, you got it all yet you're not satisfied with this new routine
- You start taking drugs, drinking booze and thinking of what you could have done differently
- Depression gets worse, and no one around you gives a s**t (Especially in a family full of superficial cunts)
- Your family finds you hanging in the garage
- The end

Seen many cases like thisClick to expand...And yet, everyone and his millionaire dog tries to get a Swiss private bank account lolz
 
backpacker said:The number of @GPT is correct.
Many people in this forum live in a parallel world when it comes to real life expenses and spending habits of the average population.
Also take into account that many Swiss households are highly indebted (certainly more than in Germany).
Btw., if one lives like the average Swiss, expenses are only marginally higher than in neighbouring countries. Biggest draw is usually rent. Other costs are negligible from a point-of-difference.Click to expand...The basic assumption is that the average person doesn’t participate in this forum (save for our friends from tax police).  Toggle signatureundefined@JohnnyDoe – Your #1 Source for Guidance in Different Offshore Fields​#-johnnydoe-your-1-source-for-guidance-in-different-offshore-fields
 
RealDude said:My apartment rent (3 bedroom, two floors, garden and balcony, underfloor heating, underground parking) within walking distance to the city center of a german metropolis is 600€ per month including heating.Click to expand...3 bedroom (around 90 sqm) in Swiss German speaking rural area will set you back around 2000 chf. In the cities you pay (depending on location in the city) a minimum of 4000 for a 3 bedroom. I’ve also seen them going for 8000.

Health insurance is the other high cost which is age dependent and is for a 40 year old approx 375 a month. Food expenses (groceries, not eating out) boils down to about 3-400 per person per month.

It’s mostly the foreigners in Switzerland earning the above 100k annual salaries. At the same time they mostly rent as they are posted here for 3-5 years. Most property owners are Swiss despite earning mostly in the lower salary ranges. Either institutional or property which is already in the family since forever.

JohnnyDoe said:The basic assumption is that the average person doesn’t participate in this forum (save for our friends from tax police).Click to expand...That doesn’t mean that it changes the numbers. They remain the same regardless of the avarage person here in this forum.
 
GPT said:That doesn’t mean that it changes the numbers. They remain the same regardless of the avarage person here in this forum.Click to expand...probably the “average Swiss” living in Geneva doesn’t employ a cleaning lady.
Anyway, if someone is so poor inside to think about suicide, this is the best choice for him and the society.  Toggle signatureundefined@JohnnyDoe – Your #1 Source for Guidance in Different Offshore Fields​#-johnnydoe-your-1-source-for-guidance-in-different-offshore-fields
 
In 2018 I had the opportunity to take an IT job for 150k CHF p.a. in Zurich. Compared to my German situation as an employee and the rent I mentioned, the Swiss cost of living didn’t exactly make it attractive at the time.

PS: At that time the exchange rate to the euro was not 1:1.
 
RealDude said:In 2018 I had the opportunity to take an IT job for 150k CHF p.a. in Zurich. Compared to my German situation as an employee and the rent I mentioned, the Swiss cost of living didn’t exactly make it attractive at the time.

PS: At that time the exchange rate to the euro was not 1:1.Click to expand...Did you compare like for like? Id say with 150k you would be better of in CH due to a way lower tax bracket. Especially when living outside of Zurich itself.

JohnnyDoe said:probably the “average Swiss” living in Geneva doesn’t employ a cleaning lady.
Anyway, if someone is so poor inside to think about suicide, this is the best choice for him and the society.Click to expand...Very likely even. During COVID lockdowns the queues for people to receive help from church and other organizations for food were the longest in Geneva.
 
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